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« on: March 05, 2012, 11:41:49 am »

based on enrollment numbers as of October 2011 this might be the new regions for regions 1-8

Region 1
Logan 1721
Weber 1785
Fremont 1763
Northridge 1785
Syracuse 1960
Davis 2295

Region 2
Viewmont 1722
West 2525
East 2042
T-ville 1772
Hunter 2147
Alta 2512

Region 3
Jordan 1730
West Jordan 1750
Copper Hills 2363
Bingham 2382
Riverton 2023
Herriman 1872

Region 4
Lehi 1851
AF 1987
PG 1892
LP 2201
West Lake 2243
Timpview 1936

Region 5
Mt. Crest 1632
Skyview 1554
Box Elder 1355
Bonneville 1345
Roy 1547
Clearfield 1611

Region 6
Layton 1703
Bountiful 1439
Woods Cross 1283
Cottonwood 1675
Highland 1568
Skyline 1450

Region 7
Granger 1697
Kearns 1680
Cyprus 1556
Hillcrest 1593
Murray 1493
Olympus 1551

Region 8
Brighton 1689
Springville 1239
Maple Mt. 1236
Mt. View 1323
Provo 1682
Timpanogus 1350
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 11:51:28 am »

I missed something, are we combining 4-5A  that sucks for 5A and PG. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 12:50:58 pm »

I believe the state only counts grades 10-12 for realignment purposes.  The numbers you are looking at include all students enrolled at the high school.  So schools like Logan and Timpview, who have freshmen at the high school look to have much higher enrollment than they actually do.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 12:56:44 pm »

That is true, and actually they only count 10th and 11th for realignment purposes, this was just a look at what the new regions could be, and know that you reminded me that Logan and Timpview have freshman at there schools, there numbers make a lot more sense.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 01:01:10 pm »

VIXIIM,

5A-4A regions, means 5A through 4A regions, which would be regions 1 though 8. I wish they would combine 5A and 4A, that would be awesome, I don't see how that would be bad at all for 5A or for PG, oh unless your one of those guys who thinks winning a 5A or 4A classification title means more than that, but I thought you one that saw the difference.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 02:42:29 pm »

Is Realignment going to happen?  or is this just speculation?   

I don't see Salem Hills in the list, so do they drop to 3A based on new enrollment guidelines?

Why only 6 teams in a Region?    And combining 4A and 5A into one classification is probably the place to start in consolidating the classifications.  With a possible bump in the enrollment level to 1,500+ for the largest group.

Whose ox is being gored?  Why the constant re-alignment activities?    Never heard of such a thing growing up in another state.  League rivalries persisted for decades, generations even.  Teams weren't swapped in and out of leagues based on fluctuations in enrollment. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 05:09:36 pm »

My understanding was that they had decided to change to a biennial alignment period and that the current regions were set for 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. There have been numerous complaints by/about schools where populations have changed in a short period of time and I guess they felt this addressed that complaint. 

I'm not sure how they came up with six teams per region but if I were to guess, I would say they (1) had a general idea of where they wanted the 4A/5A split and (2) wanted a number of Regions that was a power of 2 - 2,4,8,16 to simplify post season bracketing - 24/4=6
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 08:13:36 pm »

You threw me off with Logan in Region 1. 

I didn't look close enough
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2012, 05:39:48 pm »

I think your enrollment figures for Timpview are off. They are grades 9-12 and I think they would be closer to 1400 grades 10-12.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 06:08:49 pm »

By the way, I would have actually done this with the last realignment and see if this would have more sense to you all.

5A would have basically been as is.
My 4A regions would have been much different. I would have put 28 teams in 4A (my changes in CAPS!)

Region 5:

Bonneville
Box Elder
CLEARFIELD
Logan
Mountain Crest
Roy
Sky View

Rationale: Makes more sense to keep Clearfield north with natural rivals Bonneville and Roy.

Region 6:

Bountiful
Cyprus
East
Highland
OLYMPUS
SKYLINE
Woods Cross

Rationale: Not much of a league for wrestling granted but what a great league for sports like football. Natural rivalries abound, especially with those east side schools. Decade long rivalries like Highland and Skyline are back in region battles.

REGION 7:

Herriman
Hillcrest
MOUNTAIN VIEW
Murray
OREM
TIMPANOGOS
Westlake

Rationale: Westlake was the only Utah County (Alpine District) school in Region 7 this year. Now all the Alpine 4A schools are in the same league. This league will have to have a Utah County/Salt Lake County split at some level but at least more natural rivalries exist and you don't have an awkward outlier with Westlake.

REGION 8:  

Maple Mountain
PAYSON
Provo
Salem Hills
SPANISH FORK
Springville
Timpview

Rationale: Make Nebo fix boundaries and bring back Payson and Spanish Fork back to 4A. This puts all 5 Nebo schools together in 4A with the two Provo schools and makes a great league with decade old rivalries.

Now in 3A I would do this and 3A would have unbalanced regions).

Region 9 (Stay as is with seven schools)

Region 10: Carbon, Park City, Uintah, Union, Wasatch (five schools)

Region 11: Bear River, Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Morgan, Ogden, Stansbury, Tooele

Region 12: Delta, Juab, Juan Diego, Judge Memorial, North Sanpete (five schools/four wrestling)


Southern Sectional (Regions 9 and 12 have 12 schools (11 that actually that wrestle)
Northern Sectional (Region 10 and 11) has 12 schools (12 that actually that wrestle)

Rationale: Moved Carbon to Region 10 but it's relatively close to Uintah, Union decently close to Wasatch and Park City. Payson and SF move back to 4A.

In football and other sports Region 9 and 11 get five qualifiers while Regions 10 and 12 get three one year and the other alternating year all regions get four qualifiers. Then of course, realign again and again and again but I think my original plan if it was adopted would make more sense.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 09:49:45 am »

So I just looked at the numders for 10th & 11th graders, the only teams that should change classifications will be Herriman 1386 for 10th-11th graders, there are only 4 5A school with more kids. Cottonwood should move down to 4A with 1137 students, they would be one of the biggest 4A school, with Westlake being the only school bigger. Orem and Salem Hills or the smallest 4A school, and could possible move down to give 4A 24 school, where the should be.
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 09:06:50 pm »

Here's the thing with the Nebo and Alpine situation. A simple boundary shift solves all the problems, especially in Alpine. Move the boundary over a couple of streets and Timpanogos, Mountain View and Orem are all equalized. Nebo probably over stretched with the two new high schools. They could put Salem Hills in 3A with Payson and Spanish Fork which would have some sense to it. Maple Mountain is by far the largest school and they had a big boundary dispute with Spanish Fork and Spanish Fork basically lost and its population is reducing fast. Springville was on the cusp of going 3A in the last realignment but again, shifting things with Maple Mountain's boundaries will make Springville safe to stay in 4A.
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